Actually the gay thing is particularly dangerous because there are lots of people who find homosexuality disgusting and offensive, but also plenty who find homophobia the same. We could get everybody banned just by asking them if they hate gays or not.

Basic principle of Eve - you are responsible for your own stuff, and responsible for your own actions. Not your corpmates, not your CEO, not CCP, not your mother.

If you give it away, trade it, put it in a corp hanger, contract it to a total stranger, then it's on you. If you decide to take a problem out of game, onto teamspeak or forums, then it's on you. You, and only you, are the one who clicked "send" or "accept" or "join channel".

o/

Your concern is a result of your misreading.

I have not said the act of violence is justified.

I said my laughing and applauding an act of retribution by a victim against an individual who has griefed and humiliated them above beyond the civil context of the circumstances those have occured in, is justified.

If that is a "concern" to you, that is your problem. Not mine. Deal with it.

Also, I dont think "masochist" means what you think it means.

I'm baffled how anyone could say because of some hypothetical stuff some others float to the surface, that what the "people" behind the "bonus room" have done, should go by like nothing happened or even that it's ok (which is not).

Can we get back to the point here please?

If rilling up people to commit suicide in a few minutes speech is a big nono, then why is this hours long grieving & torture of a fellow player and human being, not? It's equally disgusting.

Don't tell me disgusting behavior is ok in EVE. I'm pretty sure it's not because I remember some pretty low responses when Vile Rat passed away and the Dev's that jumped on those.


But hey lets be all proud of this. '
E1' is rolling over the floor from laughter together with apparently Malcanis.

If you feel that you can do better, run for CSM.

Malcanis IMHO has done a good job, and many people voted for him based not only on his platform, but also for his habit of being bluntly honest, and not mincing words on idiots.

nope, and wont happen. he's enjoying the precious tears though.

He is here reading.
Has even thrown me a Like or two.

i'm not defending ero at all,

still ass hurt about reading half of something i typed in the lounge, then blocking me before i finished my sentence i see.

good for you arabella.

was i in the bonus room linked in ripard's blog?
no.

have i been in a bonus room?
yes, but not many.

have i been in a bonus room for the full duration?
no.

have i actively participated in a bonus room and goaded contestants?
no, i don't speak on teamspeak. believe it or not, i'm very shy on voice comms. too many americans to be comfortable with my british accent.

any other questions you need answering?

Just made it to page 103 and *gasp* this thread has grown even more... I really need to sleep at some point here. Maybe after I run out of popcorn.

Look, I know some people love me and some people love to hate me. But you can't deny that I would somehow be involved in content creation on the CSM.

Riptard has done more to generate interest in my campaign than I have. LOL

Let me add this one idea I've been thinking of. We could make a "Goofus" class barge which has like double the yield and a tenth of the tank. Then we could go around blowing them all up.

Ok sorry, back to discussion. Carry on.

Ero's an *******, that's not really in dispute. He takes advantage of people's overwhelming greed and stupidity in order to unhinge them. The entire performance is unpleasant and distasteful at best.

The question is: should being an ******* be a bannable offense?

Except after he gets all of your assets, he makes you turn over RL pictures of yourself to him. And I understand he publishes them online.

Apparently that was part of what got him kicked out of Widot.

Your campaign you will inevitably abandon when it's time to reveal your real name?

Ok, so where do we draw the line? The "bonus room" is unacceptable? Ok.

What about burn Jita? Many tens of thousands of people think Goons are ass holes for burn Jita. Should we start banning Goons? What about the "code" people that harass miners. They're plenty dickish and make people rage as hard as anyone else. Ban for them too?

I was once on a fleet, a birthday fleet for a friend. We were in lowsec, we tackled a venture. Told the pilot he could either sing happy birthday on comms to the birthday dude, or get his ship popped. He sung the song in comms, we let him go. Should we be banned too?
Do we convene a plebiscite on the forums every time someone acts like a total douche?

Eve may well be a better place if Erotica 1 is banned in general, but I do not believe Eve would be a better place if Erotica 1 was banned just for being king of the douches. That's just not a good enough reason (imo).

That's a valid argument.

It's also a valid argument to suggest that someone... in particular someone who's been scrupulously careful to stay within the rules and inquire with a GM wherever anything is dubious or questionable... should, if punished at all for violating some new proposed rule, be warned first, and punished if found to remain in violation. This has happened before; you'll note that E1 and friends are very careful to stay within the letter of the law, and will be quick to adjust their actions, if officially asked.

CCP would never have noticed this particular incident if a few people didn't make a fuss on the forums.

So what you're saying is: each time someone yells real loud on the forums, the target should be "audited" for a ban? Boy, it sure would suck to be a high-profile figure with a lot of enemies on the eve of election day. Not that that's happening here of course.

Disagree completely. Something which is 'almost illegal' is still 'not actually illegal', and the whole point of inquiring into the specific rules is to draw a line between what is acceptable and what is not. If that line is in the wrong place, it can be moved... but it's not fair to say 'the line is drawn here... and don't go anywhere near it!'

Does "Burn Jita" involve humiliating people outside the game? No it doesn't. Burn Jita is an in-game event involving people blowing up spaceships and calling each other names within the context of the game environment. That's perfectly acceptable.



They gank people, blow up spaceships, act like sadistic religious zealots in-game, and post about their accomplishments on their web site. They're not taking people to their own TS server to publicly humiliate them away from the domain of the EULA and TOS. Miner bumping is perfectly legitimate. I don't buy their politics and religion, and I don't like bumping as a mechanic in general, but they're actually playing the game even if they are being jerks about it. They're a bunch of jerks, but they're keeping their jerk attitude strictly in game for the most part.

I have yet to hear about Miner Bumping requesting people send in humiliating photos. The worst of their transgressions is worshipping Erotica 1 like a god: they celebrate the bonus room in question through the "Jetliner Bumping" series of posts. [voiceover=Derryn Hinch]Shame, New Order, shame![/voiceover]



Did you get them to read Wikipedia entries out loud to mock pronunciation errors, write essays about how wonderful you are, post photos of themselves naked with "Erotica 1 for CSM" signs, and ridicule them while they were doing all this? Did you change the rules about the ransom while you had them on TS?

+1 for honouring the ransom, BTW.

Defense: He could have switched off his computer at any point.
Judge: Case dismissed.

I'm not saying that grey areas don't exist. I'm saying that that's what the warning and line-drawing is for. Part of the point is that, if/when the rules change, you are right to clarify the rules, and get a specific indication that any potentially borderline thing you're doing is okay... and then you do that. Otherwise, you have a situation where the 'law' is actually nebulous and murky, and you can be randomly punished for anything in particular at the whim of the judge. That's the importance of knowing what is and is not illegal, and why ambiguous laws are bad.

Share this evidence with us. We want to believe that you are a good person. Once the blackmail evidence is rendered inert we will be able to see that you are the good person you know yourself to be.

Have faith in the community!

Can you point out what page the good stuff is at?

I'm going to read it all anyways, I just REALLY like spoilers!

I'm curious when CCP will lock this thread. Then say "We talking about this and will issue a statement soonGäó" then locks every thread and try to sweep it under the rug.

All these "torture" and similar talking points being tossed around by people who are just copying and pasting, most of whom "have no need to see or listen to the chats/recordings."

Read Ripard and Gevlon's comments (in jester trek). Read their wording. They have agendas and don't care about collateral damage.

These whiteknight carebears on such a high moral pedestal, they actually spew hate.

Disgusting.

I welcome any of them to a debate in TS, livestreamed.

Ripard, you want to talk like that? Let's hear it in your voice.

Or we could discuss this as reasonable adults and treat this as opportunity for open dialog. You don't see me pasting talking points repeatedly. You see me wishing to discuss it. I would even call it a debate, let's just have an honest dialogue. I can reflect and concede some points, as can you. That's how we move forward. Not with crazy rhetoric.

Any quotable snippet I throw out here will get trolled to death. All of these questions can be asked in a livestreamed event. Keep asking questions though, some of these are good.

read back a few pages. I have read every single post here. Please show me some respect and do the same.

good guys >.< . only in your head your a good guy. to me your just a scammer who went too far because you could. you pushed that dude so far he lost it totally and you step back and say he is the one to blame. i bet you are smiling as you read everything posted in this thread.

Oh God, ask me in a 3 page thread, not 125 lol

No, and I'm getting tired of this analogy because it demonstrates the user's lack of brain capacity. A ****, by definition, is non-consensual, and DOES NOT APPLY as an analogy to something where EXPLICIT (not implied, not implicit, EXPLICIT) consent is given. Stop frothing at the mouth and start using your ******* brains people. Or did they all come out dissolved in the froth already?

You can call me all the names you want, it won't matter to me at all and it won't change the facts. Do you know how many things creationists, antivaxxers and geocentrists call me on an almost daily basis? If it's ad homs you're after, you've got some catching up to do. All it does is demonstrate that you're emotional. Emotion creates bias, bias kills rational discourse.

First we have Mittani encouraging people to get some miner to commit suicide on a microphone at fanfest.

Then we have sadistic perverts abusing others over computers.


Why is this **** tolerated???

Fair enough on the correction. But regardless, you will never know the contents of that mail now which is regrettable.
And as your to personal policy, I chose to reciprocate with my own of ignoring your posts from here on.
That letter was my attempt to reconcile a personal difference with you unrelated to ontopic discussion.
You trashed it. That leaves me this option.

Please respect it as I have to respect yours, and do not address me again. I will not address you either.

You could make that interpretation

he basically said you're free to read whatever he wrote, and jump to whatever wild conclusion you want to.

Question: While everyone is in this thread, has the rest of forum been tamer and has Jita been accessible? If so, we could keep it open until the opening of the time capsule, which may reveal some messages of note. :o)